Curse

lorazcyk · Dec 23, 2011, 12:46 AM // 00:46

So I'm sick and tired and tired and sick of playing monk, but I have to, since the titles I'm working on are single-character, and they are cumulative (3 guardian + 3 protector give you 1 new title, 3 vanquishing give you 1 new title, and so on) .

Healing/Protecting with heroes doesn't go so well because if you don't attack, they just sit there doing nothing. (Stay on topic, I don't want to hear "duh! just flag them!". I just want builds)

And even though I like to heal and prot, I'm so tired of it. Monk is the only character I get play these days because of these damn single-character titles. It's been more than a year that I'm stuck playing this character!

The Smiting build I play is:
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I also play RoJ sometimes, but I like this one better.

I don't have many PvE skills on my monk, and I will not farm the titles to get them (even more work? gimme a break), I have:

Luxon/Kurzick
Sunspear
Vanguard

So I can use sencondary profession skills of those attributes.

I'm looking for offensive builds that work well for Monk as a primary... as silly as that may sound :-D
I don't want SoS because I don't even play SoS on my Ritualist :-P So boring....

Thanks a lot for your help :-D

Wenspire · Dec 23, 2011, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Other than a build that utilizes Ray of Judgement, there are not many other really effective offensive builds (based on monk skills). Arcane Echo with Ray and maybe toss in BalthazarsAura with Auspicious for some damage and EN management.

I used to use a signet spamming build with MantraInscriptions, but I think a past change to that skill kind of destroyed it for me.

ultimak719 · Dec 23, 2011, 01:43 AM // 01:43

There was a huge controversy on pvxwiki about this a while ago, but here goes...

Dagger spam. Get a hero to put strength and honor on you, MoP helps, and a copy of splinter weapon on a hero is awesome.

You will need zealous daggers as well as a defensive set for pulling.

I know it sounds weird, but with protective spirit on you or an ST rit you will be fine tanking.

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lorazcyk · Dec 23, 2011, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Wenspire

Other than a build that utilizes Ray of Judgement, there are not many other really effective offensive builds (based on monk skills). Arcane Echo with Ray and maybe toss in BalthazarsAura with Auspicious for some damage and EN management.

Yeah, that's why I want non-monk builds for my monk.

Quote:

I used to use a signet spamming build with MantraInscriptions, but I think a past change to that skill kind of destroyed it for me.

Oh that's too bad! I was thinking about signets too...

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Originally Posted by ultimak719

Dagger spam. Get a hero to put strength and honor on you, MoP helps, and a copy of splinter weapon on a hero is awesome.

Oh, I'm sorry, I should have mentioned I don't play melee because I get a headache with all the animations.
Ranger or Paragon would be OK, though :-)
I'll give it a try anyway, I'm terribly bored.

Wasn't there a monk build for JQ that used... Illusion of Pain?

ultimak719 · Dec 23, 2011, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Well...alright then. Another good build that is pretty generic is using assassin's promise. You can use your smite skills or the pve skills from eotn which will recharge fast with AP.

Assassins Promise, You Move like a dwarf, EVAS, Finish him, smite skill,smite skill, smite skill, smite skill.

EDIT: Or to recharge heals like heavens delight.

Star_Jewel · Dec 23, 2011, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by ultimak719

Assassins Promise, You Move like a dwarf, EVAS, Finish him, smite skill,smite skill, smite skill, smite skill.

This is what I use, but I don't bother with "Finish Him!" and probably wouldn't bother with EVAS if I wasn't working on Survivor. Smite skills have such long recharge, the only way I'll play with them is with AP.

chullster · Dec 23, 2011, 09:44 AM // 09:44

I used a reverse wammo build for pve and AB when it was populated. They also split some of the skills pvp/pve too so I no longer play it.

Used to be:

Retribution
Holy wrath (nerfed)
strength of honor
bane sig
signet of mystic wrath
sig of judgement
symbolic strike
(optional) can't remember last skill, maybe purge signet or sig of strength or flurry.

DeanBB · Dec 23, 2011, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Mesmer Domination has low cost skills and signets and any profession can run them. I don't know if you want to use conditional skills (interrupts) or would prefer straight damage so won't suggest specifics. Most are armor-ignoring as well so it doesn't matter what you are going up against.

lorazcyk · Dec 23, 2011, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Oh sure, I love playing Mesmer. I'm actually pretty sad I have no reason to play mine.
Wasn't sure how the long-casting spells would work as a monk though, but it's not like I can be picky, can I :P

Thanks for the wammo builds, was thinking about it when I saw the smite touch skills :P
I'll give it a try in Hard Mode and see how it works.

Happy holidays

Xsiriss · Dec 24, 2011, 01:36 PM // 13:36

As suggested,throw in PvE skills. A personal favourite of mine is technobabble (aoe daze with a free rupt). I also used to run arcane echo+roj which made it a bit more useable if a little tough on energy.

DeVerseBakker · Dec 24, 2011, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Even though you might not like melee, in Normalmode if I am bored I like playing Mo/W

100B - whirlwind - Sun and moon - Ebon Vanguard standard of Honor - For great justice - IAU - Strength of Honor - Balth spirit

Also did a few vq's with a friend for the lulz, doesnt work too well but enjoyable nontheless

drkn · Dec 24, 2011, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I wouldn't worry about the personal build, as it's the team build that really matters. So if you want to be somewhat active, deal some damage and feel useful while your heroes blow stuff up (as, keep in mind, you are only 1/8 of your team, and your damage output is just a fraction of your team's total), i'd suggest you running an AP Caller build with four discord heroes (Razah changed into N/Rt). I assume that while not maxed out, you are at least r2-3 in EotN reputation titles, and you will get higher whilst vqing or doing dungeons.

In general, you want:
AP [elite]
YMLAD (the higher your Norn rank, the better, but even 8s of crippled is good enough)
Technobabble (the higher your Asura rank, the better, but it really only serves as AoE armor-dependant dmg + rupt, with dazed being a short bonus)
Pain Inverter, EVAS or Finish Him (i personally run PI, helps against AoE-using mobs and bosses; usually is a hex-and-forget, that is - call AP+YMLAD on target A, cast PI on target B)
A cheap cover hex with fast cast time
Another cheap/fast hex or condition
An additional/backup e-management
Another backup e-management or an AoE nuke

The last three slots are, actually, optional.

So in the case of my mesmer, i run:
AP
YMLAD
Techno
PI
Fragility
[optional slot - various stuff, usually Leech Signet or Chaos Storm]
[optional slot - usually taken by the signet removing hexes]
Ether Signet

If you do your job well as the caller for discord - fuel the hexes and conditions, keep cover hexes if there's any hex removal in the mob, pick correct targets - you can free up a lot of slots from the typical discord build, getting more damage, healing, protection, minions or even interruption. My team build is usually my mes on the caller, 4x N/x discord spammers (and healers/protters/damagers/debuffers), rupt/control mesmer with Panic, SoS rit and [optional], taken either by water/earth ele (wards, AoE water stuff - for tougher/unknown areas, like DoA) or another damage dealer (that varies, but i'm going to set up my Norgu as ESurger with other armor-ignoring damage).
On one hand, it's the heroes that blow everything up, sure. On the other, though, it's me who constantly fuels their Discord, picks their targets, flags them, micromanages stuff, and so on. Much more enjoying and, in a sense, more demanding than just throwing in a RoJ or spamming signets.

Swingline · Dec 24, 2011, 10:53 PM // 22:53

12 Domination, 12 Inspiration with a 40/40 dom set. Use Panic or E-Surge(if running a panic hero). Other 7 skills can be any of the OP dom mesmer ones and some Insp skills for e management.

Auspicious Incantation
Arcane Echo
E-Surge
Mistrust
CoF
Unnatural signet <-- even at 12 dom vs 16 smite sigs its still superior
Chaos Storm
Ether Signet

If your having trouble with rupts bring MoC

InStars · Dec 26, 2011, 10:33 PM // 22:33

I use Assasin's Promise monk with classic YMLAD + FH + EVAS and Smitting Prayers signets that deal damage and cost no energy

lorazcyk · Dec 27, 2011, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Death's Charge
Brawling Headbutt
Low Blow
Holy Strike
Ear Bite
Shield of Judgment
Judge's Insight
Dark Escape
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Distracting Blow (for addrenaline)
Brawling Headbutt
Holy Strike
Low Blow
Strenght of Honor
Soldier's Stance
For Great Justice
Sprint (or replace with To the Limit!)
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Going to give this a try while vanquishing Gyala Hatchery. I'm using a sword or axe with +5 energy Furious mod, and +20% enchant duration; a monk offhand with -2 damage and +45 HP while enchanted.

I know, I know, I said I wasn't going to play melee :-P But I'm curious if this build works.

Edit: Hmm, it's alright, but not really worth it.

lorazcyk · Dec 29, 2011, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Oh god help me.

I can't go in a PUG with mesmer build since there's already mesmer in the group.
My brain is going to explode if I have to monk for another PUG.

I need to buy a profession change :-P

Xenomortis · Dec 29, 2011, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by InStars

I use Assasin's Promise monk with classic YMLAD + FH + EVAS and Smitting Prayers signets that deal damage and cost no energy

I think this is going to be the best option. It looks pretty damn unimpressive though.

lorazcyk · Dec 29, 2011, 11:09 PM // 23:09

I don't have enough norn points to make YMLAD and FH worthwhile (I do have r9 Ebon Vanguard, though).

For signets, I already use Mantra of Inscriptions, that way I can keep my Smiting elite skill.

I just need something that's decent enough that PUGs will let me play with them. I still have so much to do on my monk, I'm just pissed off I practically use the same build over and over. I'm not even half way through tittles and it feels like an eternity. Ughh....

Wenspire · Dec 29, 2011, 11:10 PM // 23:10

It's pretty much impossible to get into most PUGs with anything that isn't a cookie-cut PVX build. Sometimes you can find groups willing to let people use whatever they want (I usually do this when I want to create a group), but those are far and few unfortunately.

But getting back to the Monk build, I've enjoyed using a damage-dealing defensive build at times. It plays like a normal Monk (targetting allies) so I don't think it's something you would be looking for. It is fun to play (for me) however.

Xenomortis · Dec 29, 2011, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

I don't have enough norn points to make YMLAD and FH worthwhile (I do have r9 Ebon Vanguard, though).

Those skills are usually worthwhile at rank 0.

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

that way I can keep my Smiting elite skill.

They're all terrible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wenspire

It's pretty much impossible to get into most PUGs with anything that isn't a cookie-cut PVX build. Sometimes you can find groups willing to let people use whatever they want (I usually do this when I want to create a group), but those are far and few unfortunately.

In my experience, it is surprisingly easy. Most of the people forming PUGs are so utterly terrible they won't really know any better.